“Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” continues

The Gay Rights’ Movement fought decades for me Hooded Sweatshirts

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UPDATED: Yes, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” continues to this day just as some of us thought would be the case. Judging by their personal sex ads, thousands of gay guys with gay shame in the US continue to enforce, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” with their closet-case “discreet,” and “down-low” language and some also using the “I’m straight-looking and straight-acting” heteronormative language. This is especially the case in Manhattan in New York City, but certainly not limited to Manhattan. I’ve also read what has unfortunately happened to the former gay Chelsea barrio in Manhattan having been taken over by neo-hetero redneck homophobes. The trash. And ironically, this is at the same time that same-gender marriage (also known as gay marriage) has become legal in some places in The Cesspool/The US/Los Estados Unidos, including in the state of New York.

Hola. ¿Qué tal? In a recent comment Todd left on pink barrio, he wrote that the Gay Rights’ Movement seems to have come unraveled and that what he sees going on is gays and lesbians trying so hard to be like heterosexuals so that heterosexuals will accept us. (Yes, that’s called being heteronormative…ugh). He pointed out that “straights” accepting him as a gay guy has never been one of his goals, concerns or priorities. (It’s never been one of mine either.) He said that gays and lesbians have lost themselves and the movement. (I agree with that completely.) He asked what happened to the butch dyke look with lesbians in that it seems to have disappeared. Are lesbians now ashamed of that too?

Well Todd, you’re being too polite. The Gay Rights’ Movement hasn’t come “unraveled.” It’s Dead. It’s over. Fin. The End. Although I suspect those corporatist GLBTQ organisations with their bloated executive salaries would disagree with that since they need to keep their cu$hy jobs. As one example, these days some people—including here in San Francisco’s Castro—seem to be ashamed of the Rainbow Flagnow or it has become passé to some. During its tenure, I wasn’t aware of this but oddly the Gay Rights’ Movement presumably only had two goals:

It seems that same-gender marriage in some places was one of the goals. (I never knew that).

The other goal was being able to go around the world (while possibly publicly saying, “I’m gay”) as part of the Imperialistic US Empire Military Industrial Complex killing machine and taking part in killing innocent people of a (mostly) brown-skin orientation. Who would have thought that would be a goal of the (former pro-peace) Gay Rights’ Movement? What the fuck happened? Today, the now-conservative gay populace seem to be gung-ho “rah, rah” pro-military. Loco/a. Or is this because their messiah Obama is in office and being Obamabots they feel they must genuflect to anything Military Industrial Complex as their Orwellian Nobel Peace Prize saviour is bombing the hell out of innocent people in other parts of the world? This group-think is the exact opposite of what the GLBTQs were about and stood for during the (now dead) Gay Rights’ Movement. They’ve done a 180 degree flip. Will it take a corporate parasite with a R (Republican) next to his name en la casa blanca to flip them back around to what they originally stood for?

And from my research, little has changed in the US Military Industrial Complex as far as the GLBTQ populace is concerned. A large percentage of GLBTQs who are in the military remain in the closet in part because they sense it’s still not okay to be out in the conservative military environment. They still hear anti-gay jokes and anti-gay slurs. Well duh, is anyone surprised? Just as I and others had said would remain the case from the beginning. The change in the law effecting the US military and the GLBTQ populace has been mostly purely cosmetic. But most gullible GLBTQs (including GLBTQ corporatist organisations who thrive on using GLBTQ people as ATM machines) fell for it and were—prematurely as usual—jumping up and down celebrating when the law was changed. Why was the law really change? This article gives a better understanding of that.

But again, little has changed from what I’ve read. Also, I would like to point out that marriage and military are both conservative “institutions.”

As for the butch/dyke look Todd asked about, I don’t see that too often unfortunately. The butch/dyke look is part of the former Proudly Radical and Alternative San Francisco of the past. In the New Lobotomised Techie City of San Francisco one sees lesbians who try to look like models. They’re anorexic-looking (they look like they have a food disorder) with long blond hair (out of a bottle?) or long brown hair and often with 8″ heels (which are absolutely wonderful for one’s feet).

Unfortunately, judging by their personal sex ads on the site I call ClosetList, thousands of gay guys have continued the policy of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” with their closet-case “discreet,” and “down-low” language and some also using the “I’m straight-looking and straight-acting” language.

So the Gay Rights’ Movement worked for this? The Gay Rights’ Movement worked decades so that gay guys could go back in the fucking closet (or never come out) and be “discreet, down low, straight-acting and straight-looking.”

From what I and others see, the GLBTQs have abandoned everyone except conservative white males in their misguided and misdirected attempt to “assimilate” with the (conservative) “straights.” [Translation: “assimilate/assimilation” = go back in the closet with a “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” secretive, hush-hush mentality about one’s gay sexuality as if it’s (now) bad to be gay.]

That’s where we’ve come.

And didn’t these two goals I listed earlier come from the corporatist GLBTQ organisations which serve as ass-eaters for The US Oligarchy, specifically for the misnamed “Democratic” Party Establishment corporate parasites? As far as I’m concerned, this continued “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” secretive gay shame mentality and this “assimilation goal” is fucking nonsense. I can’t stand it! Chau.—el barrio rosa


Gay Culture is Dead in 2014

Change Gay Pride to Gay Discreet

The “Discreet” Gay Guys

What’s with the “straight-acting” and “straight-appearing” in gay personals?

The Conservative Gay Heteronormative Populace

[Note: I don't like this site at all, but it's the only place to get this article]:
Chelsea: The Death of a Gay Neighborhood, Murdered by Neo-Hetero-Homophobes

6 comments on ““Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” continues

    1. rosa_barrio Post author

      Hola. No, I have never thought that Obama is pro-gay. He’s a corporatist. He’s pro-dinero/pro-money and pro-using people (including gullible gay people) as ATM machines to generate dinero for his corporatist big business war party of The US Oligarchy. As this article explains:


      However, it is notable that, even within this framework, Obama’s statements were typically cowardly and craven. He framed the issue not as a question of democratic rights, but rather as the “evolution” of his “personal” attitude, which he couched largely in religious terms. The administration also stressed that it considered the issue a matter of “states rights,” making the president’s statements, in terms of practical implementation, meaningless.

      There was also an element of crass financial calculations in the decision to make the statement. On Wednesday, Obama sent out a message to supporters highlighting his new position on gay marriage and requesting donations. According to the Washington Post, the campaign received a “massive surge of contributions” in response.

      On Thursday evening, Obama was in Hollywood for a fundraiser at the home of actor George Clooney, expecting to net the campaign a record-setting $15 million in a single day.


      Obama backs gay marriage

      Some GLBTQs have bought their way into his despicable regime (he’s worse overall than GWBush). He’s made a few GLBTQ appointments—which D-Establishment corporatist GLBTQ publications naïvely gush over—as “payback” for dinero given to his war party. He has deceived thousands and thousands of very gullible people from the very beginning of his first campaign with his “Hope” and “Change we can believe in” marketing slogan bull shit even up until today where suckers are still falling for anything he says.

      Obama has nothing to do with the decisions made in the state courts and with INjustices and judges at the state level. He didn’t supposedly know how the 2 INjustices he nominated to the us supreme court would vote on this issue either. Various white house occupants—not just Obama—are responsible for who is on the courts at the state level making these decisions. Some ignorant gay people think that their messiah Obama is responsible for all decisions made (pro-gay) on any level. He has nothing to do with that nor does the us supreme court, although the supremes can override the state court and dismiss petitions challenging rulings.

      Some gay people have written, “Obama, president for life.” Oh, so they prefer a dictatorship over this sham we have called “democracy”, since that’s what a president for life is.

      Also, if Obama were “pro-gay” he wouldn’t be droning and dropping bombs on innocent gay people in other parts of the world. He also would not be sending gay people to other parts of the world to be killed in the name of US Empire building and world domination for the stealing of other nation’s natural resources (per the PNAC document).

      Gracias for your comment. Chau.

      1. FedUp!

        Thanks for your thorough response. We’re in agreement. I have gay coworkers who went insane over him during his 1st campaign. They still love him and never fail to have an excuse ready for any of his policies, even the policies that are the same as Bush’s or worse. Thanks again.

  1. Todd

    Very kind of you to respond to my comment in this article and for mentioning me. Your article title is perfect. You’ve explained it well. Regards.

  2. FormerSanFranciscan

    I read another SF gay blog (he’s an HIV activist) and he has written about how there are so many problems facing the gay community including gay homeless, gay seniors being evicted and gay youth that are being ignored, which amplifies your statement that the gay rights movement is dead.

    Your analogy of DADT continuing in gay sex ads is spot on.

Fin. The End.