Gay guys self-induced conversion therapy

Queers (GLBTQs) worked for decades for gay rights/equal rights. After achieving some rights — with gay marriage apparently being the ultimate goal ?? Who knew that was the ultimate goal ?? — some gay guys not comfortable being gay because of self-hate have decided to return to the closet and are pretending to have gone straight. Some completely flipped-out gay guys are engaging in (what I call) self-induced conversion therapy by getting themselves the GF (girlfriend), marrying a female (so they too can “fit in” and talk about “the wife” and pretend to be a breeder and be “normal”) and “smother themselves in pussy” thinking that will make them straight/a breeder, with some gay guys pumping out babies with their new GF or wife. Loco. So what exactly was the point of these gay guys working for equal rights/Queer rights here in the former Gay Mecca during the decades of the now-dead Gay Rights’ Movement when they were going to ultimately conform years later to satisfy their deep-down desire to not be gay but rather be straight/a breeder and “settle down with a female and have babies?”

Hola a todos. The above paragraph is a summary of the topic that came up at our most recent meeting of local Queers here in San Francisco during abril/April 2017.

This topic came up because I told our little group that earlier in the day mi amigo/my friend went to his gym in San Francisco’s Castro. As seems to be happening more frequently, mi amigo came back telling me about yet another gay guy he’s known from the past from his former gym who he saw on Market Street holding hands with a female in clearly a romantic/relationship type way. I thought: Oh that again. A rather frequent occurrence. Because on his walks around the neighbourhood and trips to the gym he’s seen other gay guys from his past who are now clearly in a relationship with a female. Some of them are with their GF or wife pushing a baby stroller, seemingly trying to “fit in”/conform with the continually invading breeders taking over The Castro.

One person in our group asked if this is a case of self-induced conversion therapy? As he explained: where these gay guys are now forcing themselves to be with a female to finally be considered “normal” and “smothering themselves with pussy” thinking it will make them straight — while their real sex organ (their brain) is thinking about having sex with a guy as they did all during the decades of the now-dead Gay Rights’ Movement — but now he’s fucking pussy to be a “real man?” (roll eyes) And finally feels proud to be able to walk down Market Street showing off his trophy GF or wife and holding her hand in his former Queer area now as a straight guy, or rather pretending to be straight.

Another person in our group said: The vagina is just another hole. Sadly, it would appear that these gay guys that your amigo keeps seeing in The Castro holding hands or making out with a female have succumbed to the societal brainwashing that all guys are taught which is: “you as a male are supposed to love pussy, and love the smell of pussy and love eating pussy.” I pointed out that: Some guys even brag about eating pussy when she’s having her period and how macho that is in their mind.

At this point in our discussion, everyone in our group sat silently and looked absolutely disgusted contemplating the sad state of things that we had just discussed. Understandably so.

A few minutes later: One person pointed out something I’ve said before: It seems like the Queer community has flipped out since gay marriage was made legal in the US. As if it’s backfired.

Mi amiga (obviously frustrated) said: I just cannot understand this. From their gay meccas, Queers worked for decades for equal rights. After we achieved some rights and have mostly abandoned our gay meccas because they’ve been taken over by breeders, now we see gay guys going to the extreme of dating and marrying females so they too can be a breeder or be seen as straight. WTF? Was being straight the goal of these gay guys all along during the decades they were fighting for Queer rights? Who knew that deep down some gay guys wished they were straight to begin with?…while they were fighting for Queer rights? This is really crazy.

I strongly agree with this:

Another amigo at our table sees a lot of insecure Queers caving to peer pressure to “fit in” with the breeders. To be just like them. As more and more breeders move into San Francisco’s Castro, the more Queers feel pressured to be just like them to conform/”fit in” and to be in a heterosexual relationship just like these breeders so they can finally think of themselves as “normal” for the first time in their life, even though they are Queer but going back in the closet. We’ve seen this with the obnoxious “bro” jock obsession in San Francisco and other cities. From what I could tell, it was around the same time that gay marriage became legal that the obnoxious jock fad began in The Castro with gay guys trying to be just like the obnoxious breeder jocks — and cheer-leading over corporate sports teams at that new supposedly gay sports bar — as breeders moved into the area with their “chicks” and “bitches.” We saw one breeder couple after the other making out at Harvey Milk Plaza under the big Rainbow Flag as if that somehow turned them on with their message being: “We breeders are taking over The Castro. You Queers (they are probably thinking “faggots”) get out of here.” What we’ve seen from the local Queer community was: Conform, conform, conform with the breeders and be the exact opposite of who and what you were during the decades of the proudly radical and alternative Gay Rights’ Movement.

There seems to be something in the agua/water. Loco.

I saw my straight friend the other day while writing this article and was telling him about our meeting. I’ll add something he said. He asked:

Have these gay guys never thought about what kind of emotional baggage comes with that pussy as well as the entrance rights to that pussy? Guys by comparison are pretty emotionally stable and rarely have emotional meltdowns. But with females, I know from years of experience that there can be hourly emotional meltdowns with them. They can be emotionally stable one minute and an emotional wreck the next minute, and you have no idea what you did or said to cause it, if you did anything. If you point this out to them they have no idea what you’re talking about. Gay guys are not used to this, so when they say they want to try pussy as conversion therapy to see if they too can be a breeder, to conform, and no longer be gay (they think), they need to realise there’s a lot of emotional baggage that comes along with that pussy that they are not ready for or aware of. Watch out gay guys! And if pussy were so great, the divorce rate for straight couples in the US wouldn’t be well over 50% (I believe that’s in the first year). If pussy were so great, you wouldn’t see all these sex ads from straight guys looking for sex with other guys and you wouldn’t hear macho straight guys at the gym talking with each other about “their bitch” and her smelly pussy and how he told her to go in there and wash the thing out before he’d fuck her. Maybe after these gay guys with their internalised homophobia try pussy, if they’re for real, they’ll conclude that the grass is not greener on the other side.

Good points made, mi amigo. Muchas gracias.

Our meeting ended with someone bringing up something I had written here before: Why didn’t these gay closet cases — in dire need of psychotherapy with a highly-qualified Queer (sex) therapist — move to a traditionally straight area years ago? They could have moved to San Francisco’s Marina district or North Beach or Cow Hollow or Pacific Heights, the Avenues or you-name-it if they wanted to be a breeder and live a lie in the closet and call themselves “normal” and “straight” and brag about having “the wife” and being Mr Heteronormative? Chau.—el barrio rosa

UPDATE: On the topic of closet cases, I continue to see this: Over the years that I have been paying attention to men for men personal sex ads, I have seen countless ads from closet case Queers living in New York City (especially as compared to other US cities) and their ads are written with this small-town mentality. These closet cases say in their ad that they’re “not out.” I have to ask: Why would anyone be in the closet in New York City, of all places? They also write: “If anyone were to see me on the street they’d never think that I was into guys.” Well in NYC, who the fuck would care who you’re into? Other closet cases write, “If people were to see us on the street they would think we are just jock buds or workout buds; they’d never think we’re sex buds.” People will think what they want; why do you care what people think? And again, who the fuck in all of Manhattan/NYC would care what you do sexually and with whom? These ad I’m talking about sound like they’re written by someone living in some provincial small-town hamlet in the deep south rather than a major US city with a population of 8,550,405 (as of 2015). Again, who in all of NYC will care what these fucked up in the head closet cases do sexually when the overwhelming majority of the 8 million people in NYC don’t even know them? I’ve never understood this mentality because during the Gay and Lesbian Rights’ Movement, Queers moved to major US cities to come out of the closet because we were anonymous in major cities. Unlike today where closet case Queers are moving to major US cities to stay in or go back in the closet with their gay shame. This is loco/crazy. My suggestion to these closet cases: There’s no shortage of credible (Queer-GLBTQ) psychologists in Manhattan and the other boroughs so why don’t you closet cases clearly in need of psychological help get your ass to a therapist and work on your gay shame issues? Because it’s not healthy being dishonest with yourself and other people and living a lie about who you are and your sexual orientation, and living in that unhealthy, repressive, depressive, suppressive closet. Chau.—el barrio rosa

9 comments on “Gay guys self-induced conversion therapy

  1. Greg

    Reminds me of what I see from about Church St on up into Upper Market. The gay guy with a baseball cap looking like a jock bro pushing a baby stroller. That’s a sight I see too often especially from Church Street towards the Bay. Most of the couples I see from Church street west are male-female and the guy looks queer to me SO either he’s walking with a lesbian?…..or a new girlfriend?….or a wife?…..she could be just a friend but are there really that many “we’re just friends” walking with gay guys around here?

    Thanks-muchas gracias for writing about this. NOBODY else in SF is about to touch it and I mean that. I think they’re afraid to. They’d say you can’t talk about that it will do harm to our reputation in San Francisco and to the queer community. You know talking about reality these days is so not appreciated by the masses.

  2. Tom

    Gay guys are really working and reimbursing those closet doors now. Very sad to hear about this.

  3. Bi Guy

    Hope it’s coool to put this here. Read your article about the fake bi guys and def relate to that. I’m bi but I’ve had a really tough time connecting with other *real* bi guys. I contact other bi guys – they say they’re bi in their profile. But alas, it doesn’t take that long to realize they’re lying and they’re really gay….like your article talked about. My exp. is that most guys are lying about being bi. They’re more like closeted gay guys.

  4. Ed in the Castro

    I’m waiting for the SF political queer clubs to speak to this, or the celebrity queer activists to write about this on their blogs. That will be long in coming.

  5. strangetimes

    some strange shit is going down now. at a time that we have some court rulings going in the direction against “conversion therapy,” we hvae some gay guys going in the opposite direction. trying to turn themselves straight.

    strangetimes

  6. San Francisco Resident

    We began seeing male-female couples make out, cuddle and hand hold in the Castro when tech started moving in. It’s like male-female couples go out of their way to come over here to make out so I avoid the Castro these days.

  7. castro local

    a timely read considering what i heard recently at my gym. i’ve changed gyms recently because of costs and the high cost of living in san francisco. at the new gym i saw a couple of guys from the gay gym who’ve also come down there. i was friends with one of them when i was at the gay gym. we messed around a little bit sexually and went and had a beers together a few times at one of the gay bars. he’s gay. the other guy is gay, so i thought…..str8 guys don’t often go to a gay gym. lo and behold these guys have had a personality makeover in transit from the gay gym to the new gym. the guy i had messed around with saw me but ignored me at the new gym. they were working out near me and i overheard them talking. the guy i knew was talking with the other gay guy about leaving the gay gym and comparing the two gyms. then he brought up that he has a new girlfriend and she’s thinking of working out with him. the other guy asked him, “is she a hot chick?….nice pussy?” he said, “oh fuck yeah, it’s super nice dude.” the other gay guy said, “fuckin’-a. yeah i just got married and my wife and i are trying to get pregnant so i’ve been getting a lot of pussy lately.” “oh cool dude; you can’t get enough pussy” the gay guy that i knew said.

    i was blown away.

    the guy i was sort of friends with from the gay gym was more on the fem side at the other gym. now he’s acting like this alpha-male jock and playing with his junk while talking about this girlfriend he has, if he’s telling the truth. i couldn’t believe what i heard coming from both of them. with the guy I knew, he has a very different personality now. they were both acting like sports jocks and imitating the worst personalities you find in str8 guys. i wouldn’t be surprised if they’re now anti-gay. :(

    some of my friends have moved away and one of the first reasons they’ve given me for leaving is that the castro is no longer gay friendly. just wondering if “no longer gay friendly” is another reason that gay guys are going back in the closet and acting like these two i overheard at the gym?

    when you mention there’s something in the water, that might be a good place to look considering what’s happening around here. seriously.

  8. All the closet cases

    Agree with Dan 1000+%.

    We’re living in a time where people are going insane. I’m totally serious about that. This insanity can often only be seen after close scrutiny of insane behavior such as gay guys w/ girlfriends and wives denying their true sexuality. These gay guys that you’re talking about have learned nothing from the generations of gay guys who were in the closet from day one and married women because they were supposed to (for religious reasions, family pressure, etc.) There’s a reason the divorce rate in the U.S. is well-over 50%. Part of it has to do with closet cases marrying women, having kids, then coming out and getting divorced….leaving the gay guy with child support payments and dividing things up legally with his former wife.

    The thing that’s different with these guys this article is talking about is that they were out of the closet for years and decades in many cases, many worked for gay rights and then they went back in the closet to live the life of a breeder. Insanity.

  9. Dan

    This is some crazy shit. I was in relationships with women before I came out and they were nothing like the relationship I’ve had with men. My relationships with women were in constant turmoil. I could never please her, she was never satisfied. The waterworks could be turned on or off in just seconds. Mood swings from minus 200 degrees to above 1,000 degrees in less than an hour. Your straight friend is 100% correct about their emotions. My relationships with guys by comparison have been smooth sailing. Guys are so much easier to be with. Not all this emotional baggage. No explosive emotions at the drop of a hat. Why are these gay guys ruining their lives by getting in relationships with women and having kids? The consequences of that are something they’ll have to live with for the rest of their life and for what? Just to conform with the majority of straight people moving into the area and trying to be like them when they are really QUEERS !!!

Fin. The End.